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Still trying to keep an open mind...

about the new Star Trek movie. As I said to a student, I can't begin to count the number of different "origins" versions of my favorite comic book characters I've read over the years, so why am I so protective of Star Trek.

Still, my favorite, absolute favorite episode of Star Trek is "Balance of Terror." Yeah, it's just Run Silent, Run Deep in space, but I still love it. The most important canon thing that happens in it is that, for the very first time, the Federation learns what Romulans look like.

So, I read today that in the new movie Sulu skewers a Romulan.
Frankly, unless that Romulan is wearing an encounter suit worthy of Kosh, I'm wondering how it can possibly be true that they don't know.

Don't mess with me, people--I have a White Star and I know how to use it!

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jlbooth76
May. 8th, 2009 08:05 am (UTC)
I think this is one of those times when it might be helpful that I'm a fan with a bad memory for details. Though the article I read during Darius' appointment yesterday left me with mixed feelings... the alternate universe approach to freeing up the storytelling ('we don't want to worry about conflicts with all the accumulated history') while I understand that it makes things EASIER, I'm not sure it will make them BETTER. We'll see.
anglesandlight
May. 8th, 2009 08:23 am (UTC)
Um, didn't "Silent Running" take place in space?

My favorite(s) is/are "Paradise" or "City on the Edge of Forever".

Yep, I'm a geek, but appearently I do not hold a candle to you! (I bow in admiration) :)
herooftheage
May. 8th, 2009 08:38 am (UTC)
She probably meant "The Enemy Below" or perhaps "Run Silent, Run Deep".

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herooftheage
May. 8th, 2009 08:45 am (UTC)
Hmm, thinking about it, depending on how widely seen the Romulan is, it might not be a continuity glitch. Kirk, Spock, and Sulu can all know, but Stiles is the one who makes a big deal out of it.

This makes a bit of sense, in that it was made clear in the Next Generation that Spock must have already known anyway - the whole business about reunification pretty much implied that Romulan-Vulcan common ancestry was a commonly known fact already.

meirwen
May. 8th, 2009 10:45 am (UTC)
Except that there is all that dialog about the previous encounter with Romulans being entirely ship to ship, before ship to ship visuals were possible. ;-)
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hawkyns
May. 8th, 2009 08:46 am (UTC)
I'm not impressed so far. They've said that this movie supposedly takes place before the first encounter with the Klingons. That's already at odds with the story so far, since Klingons are encountered during the prequel series, "Enterprise". And the way this one is being pushed as 'not your father's Star Trek', it would seem that they intend to ignore what already exist in favour of their new story line.

Hmmm... Wonder how a White Star would fare against a Kahless class dreadnaught......
meirwen
May. 8th, 2009 10:48 am (UTC)
Isn't that really a destroyer v. carrier question, in which case it all comes down to a question of the skill of the commander and opportunity.
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msmemory
May. 8th, 2009 09:23 am (UTC)
I admit, at the end, I was kind of expecting a Superman style reboot: fly madly in the opposite direction and slingshot Time back to its original path, specifically with regard to one particular planet.
herooftheage
May. 8th, 2009 12:14 pm (UTC)
If anything, this is one of the few advantages mucking around with time travel has to have for this franchise - things have been screwed with so often there's no reason to think there should be complete continuity everywhere.

I particularly liked the one bit in NextGen when the time cops discover they're on the Enterprise, and just about have apoplexy because they mistake it for Kirk's Enterprise, citing the dozens of time distortion incidents he ended up having. (Perhaps at the hands of Trelane or Q, if Peter David is to be believed.)

swordandmug
May. 8th, 2009 09:34 am (UTC)
There was a lot of opposition to the reboot of Battlestar Galactica, but after experiencing it, many found it to be a great idea. The new series lacked the hamminess of 1970s original.

In my opinion, the last gasp of the "true" Star Trek in the original vein was "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home," which in many ways was the best of the movies despite the goofy resurrection of Spock in the previous film with "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" being the last true representation of the prior era.

The entire second series was entirely different banana all together. ..."Enterprise" was... well, why watch that when you can watch "Firefly" or "Farscape" instead?
hearne
May. 8th, 2009 09:58 am (UTC)
The BSG reboot and how well it was done lends hope, but the real difference is that Galactica had 1 year of episodes and not much else. (G-1980 never happened. nope. Never.) Trek has decades and decades of fairly well established continuity. And the concepts of the Human Condition are polar opposites. Rebooting Trek will be.... difficult.

This is me.. remaining hopeful. *grin*



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anglesandlight
May. 8th, 2009 09:52 am (UTC)
And then there is, of course, Babylon 5! IMHO (ok, maybe not so humble) :) B5 is the best SciFi show that there is.

Like I said, in my not-so-humble opinion!

I am still not so certain that I really *want* to see the new Star Trek movie, but I may captulate for Mother's Day. We can all go see the movie for $6 each (=$30), so I can somehow swollow that price for it. Besides, it is what the rest of the family want to do.

Personally, I'd just love a Mother's Day that does not involve taking Dan to the hospital/doctor.
meirwen
May. 8th, 2009 10:53 am (UTC)
Has it been any better since you moved south?
hearne
May. 8th, 2009 09:55 am (UTC)
I am in the same boat. (and I wholeheartedly agree about "Balance of Terror!") For a young me, Trek was *it* until Landau and Bain came into my world, flying on models and strings. :) I devoured the books, over and over.. but above it all was canon.. what *really* happened, so to speak.

What I have heard about this one.. makes me nervous. Just the trailers alone.. that *can't* be the Enterprise being built that Kirk sees, right? How they can skip 15 years to allow for Capt. April, and both of Pike's tours before Kirk gets her.. not to mention the time on the Farragut which lead to "Obsession.."
.. etc..
..etc..

Yeah, I know.. way too much detail. Must try to keep an open mind and not get into nitpicking.
anglesandlight
May. 8th, 2009 10:11 am (UTC)
Oh, yes! Space: 1999! Definately one of my favorites! Because of where I lived, I watched Space: 1999 before I ever heard of Star Trek...

Work with me here, I grew up in Europe until "Life Ended" (TM) on February 14, 1972.
bnsysabeau
May. 10th, 2009 05:24 pm (UTC)
and now to speak the heresy....
...just wait a few more years and they'll be itching to do the same to bab 5 too. (ducks for cover)

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