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Another drive by posting...

...though given the context, perhaps better called a "ride by."

Why don't we have more condottieri di ventura and their minions active at SCA wars and events? Think of the kit! The panache! The backstabbing! All the great stuff that already happens, done with, as Gallagher would put it, "St-ah-y-le."

Discuss.

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emt_hawk
May. 24th, 2010 01:22 pm (UTC)
Because done correctly would cost money, and would require a group of people to agree on something.

--Hawk
sillyviking
May. 24th, 2010 01:46 pm (UTC)
Because there isn't enough popcorn and beer for the "peanut gallery" to watch? ;)

Seriously, tho' because "thinking medievally" is different than dressing medievally.
hawkyns
May. 24th, 2010 02:17 pm (UTC)
Because the Society puts a high value on courtesy (too much, by my lights) and to do it properly would not go down well with the rose coloured glasses crew.
damedini
May. 24th, 2010 02:32 pm (UTC)
I so wish there was more inclination toward style and panache! I miss those who did it well (Jamie MacAndrew and his halberdiers marching and drilling 'round Pennsic, and Jamie himself swaggering about!).
theboomboom
May. 25th, 2010 01:54 pm (UTC)
*grin* thanks for that memory
damedini
May. 25th, 2010 05:45 pm (UTC)
I miss Cap'n Jamie!
ariannawyn
May. 24th, 2010 02:48 pm (UTC)
We already sort of have them, in the Horde, Tuchux and Confed. The Horde, in particular, does it with great style, if not European style. But there are a fair number of people who resent what they perceive as their not playing the "honor and chivalry" game appropriately.
meirwen
May. 24th, 2010 03:48 pm (UTC)
See, that's part of it, though. The best run of the Italian outfits had the same standards of behavior as the rest of the nobility, but instead of the Med/Ren equivalent of patriotism as the motive, the motive was "compensation." One of the things I hate about the SCA is that we've imposed a modern notion of geographic loyalty over personal fealty. Why can't we have mercenary companies as long as their interpersonal conduct follows the rules of courtesy and chivalry that have become Society "norms"? And, yes, the groups above have established standards for conduct, and appearance, and part of my whine is that we seem to have embraced quasi-Highland, Mongol, and...fantasy...models as well-developed units. The Romans have clearly established a beach-head. There are small troupes of Landsknechts. Why not the Italian Ren mercenaries as well?

As to the honor and chivalry angle, and appropriateness, I have mixed feelings. For all it has created problems, the knights who require their people to fight with them as opposed to with the geographic entity where they happen to reside, have a good argument on their side (to whom did William Marshall owe his loyalty--the ones he'd sworn to? the ones he held land from? and when he held lands from two lords, and those were in conflict...?). How is being a unit sworn to a condottieri different from a group sworn to a knight? And why inherently inferior to fighting for a baron, even if that baron isn't "your" baron (say, because you live in a shire)?

So which version of "honor and chivalry" rules?

But the comment above about the $$ problem may be the point that really explains it--Landsknecht is expensive enough--the Italian mercenary companies, especially for the commanders, would be...pricey.

*Sigh* I guess no pretty-pretty Italianate beefcake. :-(
sillyviking
May. 24th, 2010 04:23 pm (UTC)
Hmmmm....the situation depends. As a knight, I am the Crown's man, and so when He or She or Both of Them are on the field, I follow them or enacted their wishes. Such is the oath of fealty.

If, however, The Crown of my fealty is not on the field, then I am amenable to payment, for those who follow me and myself. Usually what happens, of course, in these circumstances is I fight with those who ask first. I am not that valuable.
damedini
May. 25th, 2010 05:44 pm (UTC)
Why not, as a knight, bring with you a band of hireswords to fight under your command, alongside your squires?
damedini
May. 25th, 2010 05:43 pm (UTC)
I'd love to see a TI article or op-ed about this!!!! Your ideas are well thought out and might inspire a new fad. What would be cooler than someone becoming a condottiere and setting up their own band? I remember a little of this back in the day, but it got out of hand with substantial bribing, IIRC.
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