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Discontent and the Doctor

Okay, I wasn't right back.
And, in the interests of full disclosure, I didn't rewatch it. I tried. Truly. But I got about as far as when Wilson has his last gasp...oh, wait, not "Wilson"--Handles...and I just couldn't take it any more.

A while back a meme was going around the interweb, that in one incarnation looked a lot like this:
moffat.

I don't get it.

Except for Torchwood, I can't really think of any important character who actually died in a Moffat world. We get noble and ignoble ends for lots of secondary characters, but not really anyone who matters. And, frankly, even with Torchwood it felt a little hollow, because it all felt so inevitable. Really--was anyone surprised when Tosh or Ianto died? Really??

No. Moffat has all this "street cred" for mercilessly killing off his characters, but I don't think he deserves it. He has a bunch of immortal characters to play with, and that "wibbly-wobbly timey-whimy stuff" that allows for a certain cavalier attitude with lives and consequences, and he then adds in soupcon of "I don't give a damn," and "POOF!" Lots of flash. No substance.

So, "Time of the Doctor." Where the Doctor finally has to deal with real personal mortality. Where he ages ("Worst Makeup in a Series Razzie goes to...."), and stays put for HUNDREDS of years. And then, TA DA, the Time Lords fix it "from beyond." And the Daleks have killed off all the other villains. And The Church gets totally trashed.

Even Clara couldn't save this one. (I like Clara. She reminds me a bit of Donna Noble, a bit of Sarah Jane, and just a bit of Romana I--how could I not?)

So I was asked what I thought of "Time of the Doctor." I think rather a lot of it. Sadly, not much good.

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baronessekat
Jan. 24th, 2014 02:16 pm (UTC)
I totally agree with everything you have written about this subject.

I might have actually liked 11 if he had had a different writer. I think Moffet is great for one-off stores. Keep him away from the grand sweeping arcs. I liked Blink. I liked Love and Monsters. OK, come to think of it. Both of those are examples of Doctor Stories where the Doctor only appears for roughly 5 minutes of screen time. Moffet is good at the "people influenced by the Doctor's activity without really meeting the Doctor".

I hated Amy Pond with a sickening vengeance that bordered on pathogenic. Hated what he did with River Song's character. (again should have stayed a One-off or someone like Jack who popped in from time to time but doesn't stay around).

Clara's growing on me. I like the spitfire she has.

Time of the Doctor was nothing more than a media hype of bad tropes and worse writing and even worse make up. They would have done better to make the Day of the Doctor the farewell to 11 and have it have been some weird effect caused by the convergence of the Three (even though that didn't happen in The Three Doctors or The Five Doctors).

I'm looking forward to Peter's tenure as the Doctor and hope that he can do better with what will probably be dreck written for him.

*fingers crossed*
meirwen
Jan. 24th, 2014 03:23 pm (UTC)
Yes, that would have been infinitely better as a farewell, and all it would have taken would be a bit of a tweek.

And, yes, I fear Peter will bear the blame when people start realizing how bad Moffat's stories are.
dicea
Jan. 24th, 2014 02:25 pm (UTC)
Quietly
Did you notice that The Doctor was Handles' saviour?
Dare I type it?
Handles' Messiah.
Do I think that the character line was created for that pun?
Maybe.

Thank you so much for this review.
meirwen
Jan. 24th, 2014 03:12 pm (UTC)
Re: Quietly
I'm not happy with what I've written (happier with "Doctors and their discontents" than with this piece, but both are truthful, so I think I'll let be).

You are entirely welcome.

And I forgive you for pointing out the pun. That is how much I love you (head hurts from pun now; time for tea).
emt_hawk
Jan. 24th, 2014 04:15 pm (UTC)
I hadn't gotten that, but now that you mention it, it is of that dry British humor, and I find it funny, too.

--Hawk
emt_hawk
Jan. 24th, 2014 02:55 pm (UTC)
OK, now that you've seen it all, I have a comment.

[Spoiler (click to open)]In "Night Of The Doctor" [Paul McGann] went to Kandahar, where the he stated that the witches were at the pinnacle of Time-Lord technology, and created potions of immortality. He drank the potion, it changed him from being a "Doctor" to being "The War Doctor." The Time Lords did not need to send more lives. He already had them. The end of the "Day of the Doctor," where the discussion with the Curator, as portrayed by Tom Baker, occurred BEFORE the episode where Matt Smith changed to [Peter Capaldi].

I agree with your assessment of Moffat not killing off characters. However, this is TV we're talking about, and they say a lot of things that aren't true.

I thought that some of the characters in Torchwood were reprehensible, to begin with, including Jack. Not because Jack's a sexual omnivore, but because he's unprofessional in his relationships with the other people in his crew, as were some of the other members of the crew. These guys are supposed to be heroes, not people who are using off-world tech to get their jollies.

I also agreed with the woman who complained about Moffat forcing the women in the program to accept the Doctor's behavior towards them, in regards to physical contact. He gets away with a lot more than most guys I know would.

Some of my problems with the program is that they are writing it to the lowest common denominator, rather than pushing out better plot-lines. They're creating a risque program that creates waves by having gay/bisexual characters, and using that conflict as the thing that's important, rather than the plot being important. My point is that having gay/bisexual characters isn't the purpose of the program. Just like having G/B friends isn't the point of having friends. Unless you're writing porn, you shouldn't be writing to the reader/viewer's genitalia. But that's just me. I like the trope of Chekov's Gun. If it's important to the plot, leave it in. If it's not important, leave it out.

--Hawk
meirwen
Jan. 24th, 2014 03:10 pm (UTC)
All of what you said (and I have to go back and rewatch that scene with the curator--I think I still have it on the DVR).
emt_hawk
Jan. 24th, 2014 04:08 pm (UTC)
If not, I have it as a media file.

--Hawk
emt_hawk
Jan. 24th, 2014 04:14 pm (UTC)
NB: I can't go look at the vid for "NIght of the Doctor" so I think I have the name of the planet where they crash and he gets to pick his regen as "Kandahar," correctly. If not, please let me know, and I'll correct it.

Also, in retrospect, in the post above, I ignored the fact that the sequence was Kandahar, Time Lord's regen delivery, more Doctors, the Curator.

So the Curator could simply be one of the regens.

Except that he says that he'll go back and "revisit old favorites." He says it like he's got a really, really, cool secret, giggling and laying his finger next to his nose, like Santa Claus.

That indicates to me that he gets a lot more than just another dozen regens, he gets all the regens, and now he can control what face he wears, maybe what sort of incarnation he gets. That sounds a lot more like the Kandahar treatment than just another dozen regens. He didn't want the Kandahar treatment

As a Time Lord, from our perspective, he could afford to play "the long game." With the Kandahar treatment, he can afford to play "the long game" from the perspective of a Time Lord. He's no longer constrained by time. He gets it all.

--Hawk

Edited at 2014-01-24 08:18 pm (UTC)
emt_hawk
Jan. 24th, 2014 04:23 pm (UTC)
Except the writers are limited.

--Hawk
mg4h
Jan. 26th, 2014 03:17 pm (UTC)
The planet is called Karn, they're the Sisterhood of Karn, first seen in this episode:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brain_of_Morbius

I was so happy to see them again, it brought back old memories of the episode.

I sadly have to agree that I do not like what Moffat does to his women, at all. I'm increasingly gritting my teeth through the difficult episodes, and Marc and I have long gripe sessions about them.
emt_hawk
Jan. 24th, 2014 04:24 pm (UTC)
BTW, I have been waiting for this discussion.

My head was going to pop. :)

--Hawk
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